def Απρίλιος 15, 2007 Author #301 Κοινοποίηση Απρίλιος 15, 2007 There is an updated Benchmark version at:http://www.excitingsimulations.com/FSX/FSX-Benchmark01-v11.zipThe changes:1. I found a "bug" in the Mountain Flying 01 save. It does not influence the benchmark, but I corrected it nevertheless.2. I added the "Automatic" column allowing for benchmarking for the FSX automatic "optimized/default" settings - the ones which are estimated as being the "best" based on your system's specs. You will be surprised when you check those against the other settings.3. I added the benchmark results of my system, as an example on how the Benchmark results form should be filled in.===============================================================FSX Benchmark V 1.1Copyright 2006, Al LawrencePC manufacturer (if applicable) self-builtCPU Type Core 2 Duo 6600CPU GHz 2.4Motherboard Intel LemontGraphics card eVGA 7900GTGraphics RAM 256MBGraphics Driver v91.47System RAM 2GB /5200Hard Disk Seagate 7200rpmOperating System VWinXP ProBENCHMARK RESULTSCLEAR SKIESSettings Low Settings Mid Settings MAX AutomaticTest 01 - Seattle >200 29 6 >115Test 02 - Landing at KJFK >120 14 2.3 53Test 03 - Bush Flying 01 >280 53 13 >190Test 04 - Bush Flying 02 >280 50 15 >200Test 05 - Mountain Flying 01 >300 120 37 >280Test 06 - Mountain Flying 02 >280 110 30 >250Test 07 - At FL350 01 >280 100 40 >250Test 08 - At FL350 02 >280 190 40 >250Test 09 - At FL350 03 >300 >280 >120 >250FAIR WEATHERSettings Low Settings Mid Settings MAX AutomaticTest 01 - Seattle >150 25 5.8 100Test 02 - Landing at KJFK >120 14 1.4 50Test 03 - Bush Flying 01 >250 48 14 >190Test 04 - Bush Flying 02 >200 50 15 >180Test 05 - Mountain Flying 01 >200 65 16 120Test 06 - Mountain Flying 02 >250 80 22 >210Test 07 - At FL350 01 >240 77 27 160Test 08 - At FL350 02 >250 110 20 >200Test 09 - At FL350 03 >250 >150 50 >220MAJOR THUNDERSTORMSettings Low Settings Mid Settings MAX AutomaticTest 01 - Seattle >150 25 5.5 100Test 02 - Landing at KJFK >80 14 2.1 50Test 03 - Bush Flying 01 >220 48 14 >180Test 04 - Bush Flying 02 >220 48 14 80Test 05 - Mountain Flying 01 >120 70 21 100Test 06 - Mountain Flying 02 >220 80 30 >180Test 07 - At FL350 01 >250 85 21 >200Test 08 - At FL350 02 >250 >110 34 >200Test 09 - At FL350 03 >250 >150 50 >210Have fun.another experiment - this time with my own "optimized settings". These are settings where I set the sliders in such a way that they provide me with the right balance betwen visual diversity and realism and actual performance. I mostly fly jets but when I lans, I want to have a smooth experience around relatively dense airports and cities.I ran the benchmark with my own settings and I like the results. The lowest FPS I got was 19 in the second test - the KJFK Landing scenario - while the average on all situations is @ 25-40 and that explains why I have no issues with FSX whatsoever. BTW - I use no tweaks and no special tricks. My graphic card is set at 2Q Antialiasing and 4x Anisotropic. I do make a small effort to kill all the unnecessary background applications though before starting FSX.Of course I want to run FSX with all the sliders up, and one day very soon I will, but for now, I am getting a big kick out of it as it is - and it looks so much better than my old FS9 with all the sliders up and super fps.for your knowledge only .Edited by - ulovely on 15 Apr 2007 08:04:28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Απρίλιος 18, 2007 Author #302 Κοινοποίηση Απρίλιος 18, 2007 THE FSX.CFG MADE EASY !WINDOWS VISTA DEFRAG TIPFILE/FOLDER NAME FILE/FOLDER LOCATIONfsx.cfg file WINDOWS VISTA USERS: Located inDesktop*****AppData/Roaming/MicrosoftFSX/fsx.cfg-----------------------------------------------------------------WINDOWS XP USERS: Located in C:Documents andSettings*****Application Data/MicrosoftFSX/fsx.cfgenable the view C:Documents and Settings/tools/folder options/viewshow hidden files and folders.The first place I like to start is by modifying the fsx.cfg file.Many people are intimidated by modifying this file, but not toworry.You must make a backup of the files you'r modifying befor doingthis tweaks.Now ,If you backed-up your file, let's get started.Double-click on the fsx.cfg file (for the location of this file,see the text below).If you are prompted to select a program to open the file,select "Notepad".The sections in the fsx.cfg file are categorized by sectionsstated in brackets.i.e. [MAIN]This file may reside on a different drive.The XX in the file location refers to wherever your ApplicationDataMicrosoft file resides. This may be the name of your system,or perhaps Administrator.This file can only be accessed by opening your "Computer" (WindowsVista) or "My Computer" (Windows XP), then clicking on the "Tools"tab, then "Folder Options", then "View". Make sure that you havechecked the box next to "Hidden Files and Folders" and "ShowHidden Files and Folders".TWEAK #1FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTIONTo reduce this cause of the blurries, we reworked how FlightSimulator X scheduler prioritizes background tasks in FSX. Nowmuch more CPU time is devoted to loading scenery data, includingterrain textures, at the expense of somewhat lower frame rates. Inmy opinion, this change has mostly solved this cause of theblurries, although the scenery loader can still get behind atextremely low frame rates (less than 10 fps) or at very largeairspeeds (faster than 600 knots).There are several ways to adjust how much CPU time FS devotes toloading scenery and textures. The easiest way is to set the targetframe rate slider to a value that your machine can consistentlyachieve. The lower you set the slider, the more CPU time isdiverted from rendering to loading data. Another thing you can dois to modify the following variable in FSX.CFG:FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=X.XXThis variable determines the amount of CPU time given to loadingscenery data as a fraction of the time spent rendering. Forexample, the default value of 0.33 means that for every 3milliseconds spent rendering, FS will give 1 millisecond to thescenery loader. If necessary, you can use a larger value to devotemore time to loading (any number between 0.01 and 0.99). Or, ifyou don't have a problem with the blurries and you want slightlyhigher frame rates, then you can use a smaller value.Should you choose to use this "tweak", here's how to do it:Insert a line directly under the [MAIN] section and enterFIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.33Experiment with the number entered here and adjust them to yourtaste for a balance of quality & speed. It has been reported thatfor true photoscenery depending on your PC specifications, you mayneed to set this value as high as0.50 or even 0.66.I have found that a setting of 0.10 will allow you to have yourAutogen set to "Very Dense" or "Extremely Dense" and maintain a 20- 25 FPS rate.TWEAK #2INCREASING TEXTURE BANDWIDTHI suspect the default value of TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT is a littleconservative (40), so on most systems it's probably worthexperimenting with increasing the value. How much you can increaseit before you start to experience side effects such as increasedstuttering depends on your system, particularly the amount andtype of main memory, the type of graphics card and the amount ofgraphics card memory.I recommend a setting of 400.you can test also 800 ?Should you choose to use this "tweak", here's how to do it:Under the [DISPLAY] section, change this line to readTEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=400TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=400 (800?) try it & test .TWEAK #3REMOVING ANNOYING DISPLAY MESSAGESTurn off the red warning text message for brakes, pause, etc.Should you choose to use this "tweak", here's how to do it:Under the [DISPLAY] section, change this following lines to readInfoBrakesEnable=FalseInfoParkingBrakesEnable=FalseInfoPauseEnable=FalseInfoSlewEnable=FalseInfoStallEnable=FalseInfoOverspeedEnable=FalseYou are changing anything that reads "True" to "False"TWEAK #4IMPROVING AUTOGENThis tweak adjusts the number of Autogen objects are rendered inFlight Simulator X.The values I recommend below are what I am currently using and Ihave had substantial increases in frame rates without sacrificingScenery Quality.Should you choose to use this tweak, here's how to do it:Insert the following (2) lines directly under the [TERRAIN]sectionTERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=400TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=3000Replace the numbers with a number between 0 and 6000. The lowerthe number, the fewer autogen objects will get displayed and thegreater your frame rates might be. The actual number used by FSXwill scale based on your Autogen Density Slider in FSX. In otherwords, the slider still has an effect, this just changes the scaleof the slider. I have found that using 400 in theTERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL section and 3000 in theTERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL section gives a nicebalance of speed and quality.OR ? TRY set it to: & TEST ! up to you .TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=800TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=3000WINDOWS VISTA DEFRAG TIP !WINDOWS XP Defrag to Windows Vista (Procedure)If you have attempted to use the defrag utility in Windows Vistayou would know how terrible it is. Well Guess What? With a bit ofwork, you can bring back the XP Defrag Utility and have it workingin Windows Vista.This guide is geared more towards those folks that would fall intothe intermediate to advanced skill range. Beginners/Newbies: it isrecommended that you not attempt this.Disclaimer: Warning Serious problems might occur if you modifysystem files located in your System32 folder incorrectly. If youchoose to follow this guide, you understand that any changes madeto your system files are done so at your own risk, Every efforthas been made to ensure that the suggested changes are correct andsafe. Furthermore, you agree that I cannot be held responsible forany potential damage done to your system by using this guide.What you will need:Access to a Windows XP DiskLogged into Windows Vista as a user with Admin permissionsSome time : About 15-25 minsLots of Patience (parts of this procedure are very tedious)First, we need to create a new folder in the C: directory. Namethe new folder xpdefragfiles (Note: when you are done with thisprocedure you can delete this folder)Next, we need to grab the XP defrag files from the Windows XPDisk. Stick your XP Disk into your CD Drive, then when theautoplay box pops up, close it.We need to launch a command prompt window, so click the start Orb,then type CMD. And you should see the cmd prompt, click on it andit will launch.Now, we need to get the XP defrag files off of the CD, to do thiswe will use the Expand command.Please note that the commands I have listed below work if yourmain drive is C: and the CD Drive is D: . You will have to checkto see what drive letter your main drive and your CD Drive isbefore you continue. If your main drive and/or your CD Drive isassigned to a different letter, please adjust the commandaccordingly. (Note: after each line Hit the Enter Key)expand D:i386dfrg.ms_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrg.mscexpand D:i386dfrgfat.ex_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrgfat.exeexpand D:i386dfrgntfs.ex_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrgntfs.exeexpand D:i386dfrgres.dl_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrgres.dllexpand D:i386dfrgsnap.dl_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrgsnap.dllexpand D:i386dfrgui.dl_ C:xpdefragfilesdfrgui.dllexpand D:i386defrag.ex_ C:xpdefragfilesdefrag.exeNext we need to remove the current Windows Vista defrag files. Todo this we have to alter the permissions on each one of thesefiles. To do this, navigate to your main drive then go into theWindows Folder, then the System32 Folder.Then locate the file, defrag.exe, right click on it and go toProperties-----------------------------------------------------------------Then Click on the Security TabThen Click AdvancedThen Click on the Owner TabThen Click EditThen Click Other Users or GroupsThen Click AdvancedThen Click Find NowFinally, locate your Username and select it, then click Ok 4 times(there will be a pop up box warning, just click OK to it)Finally, we are done setting the permissions for the defrag.exefile. Now, repeat this procedure for the following files:dfrgfat.exedfrgifc.exedfrgifps.dlldfrgNtfs.exedfrgRes.dlldfrgsnap.dlldfrgui.dlldfrgui.exeNext, we need to move all of the Vista Defrag Files out of theSystem32 folder. I strongly suggest keeping these somewhere, justin case. I moved these to a folder in my Documents calledVistaDefragFiles. To do thisYou should be in your System32folder, simply hold the CONTROL button down on your keyboard andthen with your mouse click on: defrag.exe, dfrgfat.exe,dfrgifc.exe, dfrgifps.dll, dfrgNtfs.exe, dfrgRes.dll,dfrgsnap.dll, dfrgui.dll, dfrgui.exe . Then let go of CONTROL thenhit CONTROL + X (Cut), then navigate to Documents/VistaDefragFilesthen hit CONTROL + V (Paste)Almost done,our next step is to take the XP Files that we copiedto C:xpdefragfiles, and copy them to our C:WindowsSystem32folder.So Open C:xpdefragfiles, and hit CONTROL + A (Select All) thenhit CONTORL + C (Copy). Then navigate to C:WindowsSystem32 andthen hit CONTROL + V (Paste)Finally, we need to register our Dlls, so we need to launch acommand prompt window, so click the start Orb, then type CMD. Andyou should see the cmd prompt, click on it and it will launch.Type the following commands (hitting Enter at the end of eachline). Note: You will get a pop up box confirming that the dll hasregistered sucessfullyCD C:WindowsSystem32regsvr32 dfrgui.dllregsvr32 dfrgsnap.dllregsvr32 dfrgres.dllFinally, we need to update our shortcuts. So click on the startorb, then go to Accessories, then System Tools, then Right Clickon Defrag and go to Properties.Then change the shortcut link to C:WindowsSystem32dfrg.msc,click Apply and you are doneDISCLAIMERI hold no responsibility for any damage that may be caused on yoursystem by utilizing the fore mentioned information listed in thiswebsite, nor do Iimply any guarantee that any of the fore mentioned informationwill work on your system. This information is simply supplied asrecommendations only.Make any changes at your own risk.Edited by - ulovely on 17 Apr 2007 12:24:40 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic New Topic Reply to Topic Printer Friendly Jump To:Just Flight Forums © 2000-06 Just Flight Ltd. Go To Top Of Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Απρίλιος 25, 2007 Author #303 Κοινοποίηση Απρίλιος 25, 2007 Is FSX IS the Next Level in flight sim Gaming ?This game has potentially, but you really need a high spec machine to get good performance.After the relese of sp1 & DX-10You will enjoy fsx to the max .Is the poor frame rate a killer issue? That's arguable and depends on how much you require in terms of smooth frame rates in a civilian flight sim. Some people may want to wait until tweaks have been established that boost the performance or until they invest in new hardware. Others may decide to put up with less-than-stellar performance to be able to enjoy the amazing content and plethora of rich experiences that Flight Simulator X offers. What is not arguable is that Flight Simulator X provides a quantity and quality of flight simulation capabilities that would be amazing in a product that costs twice the price.Editor Doug Horton review on Computer Pilot.Editor Doug Horton clarifies that the title runs on multiple versions of Windows, not Vista-only, and that it does not utilize DirectX 10 yet. Moreover, the writer also notes that you do not need a Cray z computer or a new graphics card to run the game, but calls out the inaccuracy of the minimum system requirements posted on Microsoft�s Web site.Doug Hortonemphasizes that the newly featured missions add �new possibilities and opportunities� instead of taking away from the simulator experience, writing, ��quite frankly, I had a load of fun going through some of them.� He goes on to highlight improvements in aircraft, comparable performance to �Flight Simulator 9� and notes that the title �is not �just� a graphics update!� Dumas also mentions several times the lack of need to buy new hardware before Windows Vista and DirectX 10 come out later this year, as there will be new upgrades and add-ons.MS flight Sim fsx.Get a Direct X 10 Video Card and Vista if all you're after is a great Flight Simulation game. You will drool.Of course, those cards to be mildly in our humble price range won't be available till Summer.But seriously, i would hold off on spending anything until then. FSX was designed for DX10 and Vista.Flight Simulator X�Tech TipsThe following information will outline exactly what settings need tweaking in order to get the best custom tailored experience no matter what NVIDIA or ATI Graphics Card you own. These tech tips will truly let you play the game The Way It's Meant To Be PlayedTry ThisUsing in-game AF (anisotropic filtering) is always better than forcing AF in Driver Control Panel. It's always faster and gives virtually the same image quality, because game developers know exactly which surfaces need anisotropic filtering and which don't. It allows the GPU to save the precious resources and achieve better gameplay. Use in-game AF in Microsoft's Flight Simulator X to achieve better image quality.What is the difference between the standard and deluxe versions?The deluxe version includes everything the standard version does, plus the following additions:- 24 airplanes (6 more than standard edition)- 45 high-detail airports (5 more than standard edition)- 38 high-detail cities (10 more than standard edition)- 50+ structured missions (20 more than standard edition)- Glass panel (G1000) cockpit (not included in standard edition)- Tower controller application (not included in standard edition).What are the minimum system requirements?These are the specs listed by Microsoft:I Find it a bit wrong.- Windows XP SP2 with 256 Mb RAM- Windows Vista with 512 Mb RAM- 1.0 GHz Processor- DirectX 9.0c compliant Video Card with 32Mb RAM- 15 Gb Hard Drive Space- DVD DriveWhat are the recommended system requirements?- Windows XP SP2 with 1024 Mb RAM- Windows Vista with 1024 Mb RAM- 2.0 GHz+ Processor- DirectX 9.0c compliant Video Card with 256Mb RAM- 15 Gb Hard Drive Space- DVD DriveWhat is the absolute best system to run FSX?The simple answer to this one is to buy the fastest system you can afford at the time. Focus specifically on the CPU speed, as much fast DDR memory as you can afford and the best video card as well. For a good roundup on what video cards, CPUs and memory are the best.Ideally, a good FSX system will have at least a 3Ghz dual core processor, at least 2Gb DDr2 fast memory and a Radeon X1950 or Nvidia 8800 series card or better.IF YOUR FSX and frame rates are poor ?1)This could be for a number of reasons. It could be that you are simply running it on a system that is not fast enough to run the software2)because some user has everything (detail, graphic, traffic and scenery-wise) turned up to maximum !Not even the fastest system available right now can probably run FSX with all options maxed out.found out that it is possible to get good frame rates if you are willing to turn down, or turn off some items that aren't as important as others.3)Another important factor is how well your hard drive is performing ?If you have a drive that is full of unorganized files, it will take FSX longer to find those files on your drive when it needs to load them, causing a drop in performance, and overall frame rates. If the files and organised well on the drive, FSX can find them quickly, load them into memory and ultimately deliver better sim performance. To organise your files on the hard disk you need a defragmentation software program.Additionally, there is a good tweaking article compiled by Greg Germanowski on how you can improve FSX performance. You can find that article at:You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this document.http://members.cox.net/spambait/FSXTweakGuide.pdfIf u have problems installing & uninstall fsx ?Read this Microsoft Tech article and follow instructions :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301Some fsx pdf help files :Microsoft Flight Simulator Essentials:http://www.bruceair.com/CDContents/Microsoft%20Flight%20Simulator%20Essentials.pdfMicrosoft� Flight Simulator X Key Commands:http://www.bruceair.com/CDContents/FSX_KeyCommands.pdfThe difference in framerate in simply going from a 6300 @ 1.8ghz to a 6800 @ 2.9Ghz is over 50%, this is solely down to Cpu clockspeed. The amd family of chips dont do well at all in FSX compared to C2D.only in the upcoming month we will really know the answer ! 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Wizard! Απρίλιος 25, 2007 #304 Κοινοποίηση Απρίλιος 25, 2007 Λευτέρη, δες κι αυτό για να πορωθείς: http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2007/02/08/crazy_man_drops.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Απρίλιος 30, 2007 Author #305 Κοινοποίηση Απρίλιος 30, 2007 http://simtube.com/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 9, 2007 Author #306 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 οσο παμε και καλυτερευουνε τα γραφικα Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 9, 2007 Author #307 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.38-.45 Μάϊος 9, 2007 #308 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 Αρχική απάντηση από def [Σήμερα, στις 16:05] οσο παμε και καλυτερευουνε τα γραφικα στις φωτο που δημιουργουν το περιβαλλον, ναι. στα φτερα εχουν πολυ δουλεια ακομα. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1024 Μάϊος 9, 2007 #309 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 ρε παιδια ξερετε κανα site free για add-ons δε βρισκω τπτ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ea6gka Μάϊος 9, 2007 #310 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 www.flightsim.comΑρχική απάντηση από .38-.45 στις φωτο που δημιουργουν το περιβαλλον, ναι. στα φτερα εχουν πολυ δουλεια ακομα. ΠΑΡΑ πολυ δουλεια Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 9, 2007 Author #311 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 Αρχική απάντηση από .38-.45 στις φωτο που δημιουργουν το περιβαλλον, ναι. στα φτερα εχουν πολυ δουλεια ακομα. μια χαρα ειναι,αμα δεις τα φτερα σε αναλυση 3000χ1024 με multi -monitor +3 θα καταλαβεις Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.38-.45 Μάϊος 9, 2007 #312 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 περα απο το εντυπωσιακο του Multimonitor, συνηθως φαινονται πιο πολλες ατελειες σε μεγαλες αναλυσεις. κι εδω φαινονται ακομα και στο screenshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirDiman Μάϊος 9, 2007 #313 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 9, 2007 Αρχική απάντηση από InZo ρε παιδια ξερετε κανα site free για add-ons δε βρισκω τπτ www.simviation.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1024 Μάϊος 10, 2007 #314 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 παιδια τι λετε για το joystick της saitis x52 hotas αξιζει???το rudder του ειναι αξιοπιστο??? το γκαζι ειναι οκ εχει καποια αποκλιση γιατι αμα εχει δε μπορω να κανω reverse... η οθονουλα δειχνει κατι καλο??? το εχει κανεις να μου πει εντυπωσεις??α και κατι αλλο ξερετε κανα mod για το G15 που να δειχνει στην οθονουλα ταχυτητα και υψος?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 10, 2007 Author #315 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 Αρχική απάντηση από InZo παιδια τι λετε για το joystick της saitis x52 hotas αξιζει???το rudder του ειναι αξιοπιστο??? το γκαζι ειναι οκ εχει καποια αποκλιση γιατι αμα εχει δε μπορω να κανω reverse... η οθονουλα δειχνει κατι καλο??? το εχει κανεις να μου πει εντυπωσεις??α και κατι αλλο ξερετε κανα mod για το G15 που να δειχνει στην οθονουλα ταχυτητα και υψος?? http://www.thelab.gr/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26943&highlight=joystick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1024 Μάϊος 10, 2007 #316 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 τι ειναι το force fedback?(μπορει να ξερω τι ειναι αλλα να ξερω αλλιως την ονομασια του) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 10, 2007 Author #317 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 Αρχική απάντηση από InZo τι ειναι το force fedback?(μπορει να ξερω τι ειναι αλλα να ξερω αλλιως την ονομασια του) δονηση Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 10, 2007 Author #318 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 για να σπασει λιγο η μονοτονια Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
def Μάϊος 10, 2007 Author #319 Κοινοποίηση Μάϊος 10, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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